Banners Broker: Meltdown

Introduction

This post was written especially for those who are involved in Banners Broker – either you have personally made an investment, or you know somebody who has. NB: Please don’t simply dismiss me as a “negative blogger”. I’m not selling or promoting anything here and I’m not looking to build traffic for myself by using the Banners Broker name. My sole motivation in writing this is to inform, and possibly (hopefully) help some of those who may have been adversely affected by Banners Broker.

Almost a month ago, I wrote a post about Banners Broker, which got quite a bit of attention. If you’ve not read it, I basically analysed Banners Broker and concluded that it is a fraudulent ponzi scheme. Since then, I’ve been keenly following developments, mainly on the realscam forum, the official Banners Broker facebook page, and the Banners Broker website itself.

Bite-sized synopsis

I have a suspicion that my previous posts might have been a bit too heavy-going for some of my intended audience. That’s not meant as a slight; I just mean that not everyone has the time or inclination to spend a long time trying to take in a lot of (at times complex) information.

This time, I’m going to give a very short, straight to the point, bullet-point rundown of the gist of this post. Then you can read more, if you feel like it. Here goes:

  1. Banners Broker is a fraudulent ponzi scheme.
  2. It’s collapsing, and there are many signs of this:
  3. You can’t use your prepaid Mastercard anymore.
  4. If you try to withdraw with Payza or Solid Trust Pay, you probably won’t be able to due to delays and “technical faults”.
  5. A lot of the time you can’t even access the Banners Broker website.
  6. Your panels aren’t moving, or are moving so slowly you won’t even make any money from them.
  7. You can no longer earn money the way you originally wanted to. You need to write blogs now.
  8. You cannot contact anyone within Banners Broker to ask why it’s all so bad.
  9. The only response Banners Broker have to all of this is that you need to “keep the faith”, plus vague assurances about longevity and compliance.

Okay, now if you would like to know more, read on.

My Predictions – One Month On

In my original post, I made a number of predictions. I’m no Nostradamus, and my predictions were hardly original; in fact you could say they were fairly obvious given the premise that Banners Broker is a ponzi scheme nearing its final stages. However, I’d like to take a look here at what I wrote almost a month ago, and what has happened since. Here’s what I wrote back then:

Based on what I have found, and the developments that I see happening within Banners Broker, I predict that the scheme is approaching collapse. I think that affiliates will find it very difficult, if not impossible to reclaim their investments. I foresee increasingly desperate attempts by Banners Broker management to stall payments, recruit more aggressively, discourage withdrawals, and it will become increasingly difficult to actually contact anyone at Banners Broker – support calls already cost $5 per question – something which I find absurd.

The excuses given as to why the service is getting worse and worse, and why it is becoming more and more difficult to make and claim earnings, will get even more outlandish and complex. Finally, it will become impossible to contact anyone at Banners Broker, the panels will freeze, and those behind the scheme will disappear.

Reading this, I hope you can identify it with some of your experiences with Banners Broker over the past few weeks. To elaborate, I will go over a number of recent developments which I believe clearly demonstrate that Banners Broker is currently undergoing a massive, slow-motion meltdown.

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Cherobyl disaster: part human error, part systemic failure.

Anatomy of the Meltdown

Mastercard pulls out, you can’t get your money out

One of the methods of withdrawing earnings from Banners Broker has been via a prepaid Mastercard. Although Banners Broker have never had any endorsement from Mastercard (they obtained the cards from an independent supplier, Vector Card Services), the card seems to have imparted an air of legitimacy to the scheme. I’ve heard this line personally from an affiliate, and it’s understandable why the card would give an extra sense of security. It was also promoted as a faster way to get cash out than the alternatives.

On March 13th, Banners Broker made the following announcement via their website member dashboard:

Dear Banners Broker Prepaid MasterCard Cardholders:

As of today March 13th, 2013, the Banner Brokers Prepaid Card program has ceased to operate.  Vector Card Services Limited is contacting cardholders regarding the winding down of the card program.
As of the date of issuance of this email, there will be no further authorization of loads to cardholder accounts and cardholders will have a limited time period to withdraw all funds from the card. As a cardholder you have until Friday March 22nd, 2013 to withdraw all funds from the card.
At the end of this period all remaining funds on the card will be returned to you the cardholder upon completion of the appropriate paperwork and receipt of a copy of your passport.
Our strong recommendation is to withdraw all funds from the card.  This is the simplest option to draw down all remaining funds from your Prepaid Card. More information will be communicated to you.  A second notice will be sent to you with a link to a full FAQ to address your questions. Please contact your Banners Broker representative for more information.

Vector Card Services Limited

Why did this happen? Here’s what Banners Broker CEO Chris Smith said in a webinar shortly after the announcement:

Unfortunate news that Mastercard has ceased to want to operate with us with our Prepaid Card option. As you know we have been promoting this specifically, as we truly believed this was the best option. Unfortunately Mastercard has the option in their contract to cancel the contract anytime. The email I received said that because of bad publicity surrounding Banner Brokers, they would not want to be associated with BB any longer.

And this is what Vector Card Services’ CEO, Ted Nham had to say in the same webinar:

Facts are, there has been a growing number of online campaigns originating from bloggers, independent and disgruntled BB’er and just plain bloggers, and unfortunatley this has caused quite a stir. … Unfortunately, this online “noise” and bad publicity has come to the attnetion of Mastercard, and even though there is no logic or reason, Mastercard has decided to close the program.

The question is, why is there such a large and vocal group of “independent and disgruntled BB’er and just plain bloggers”. If Banners Broker really is just a great company trying to help out the little guy, why such opposition? This cannot simply be brushed aside by dubbing all critics “negative people”.

Anyway, the situation right now is that affiliates are left with two other methods of withdrawing cash: Payza and Solid Trust Pay. Both notoriously backlogged, with affiliates being made to wait months before they can actually get their hands on their withdrawal. In the words of Chris Smith (from the same webinar):

“I will be honest, we were moving away from these processors and moving toward the card platform because of delays in these ways.”

With no alternative forthcoming, it looks like delays are now officially standard operating procedure. Ultimately, I believe that Banners Broker hope that most affiliates will get sick of waiting, and write off the investment as bad debt.

Bannersbroker.com is crashing and burning

First of all, a little bit of background: Any website resides on a computer somewhere, known as a server. This server is usually owned or maintained by a hosting company. Their job is to make sure that the website is always available to visitors. The amount of time that the website is available is known as “uptime”. Of course, it’s hard to guarantee that a server will be available 100% of the time, but typically a reputable web host will guarantee at least 99% uptime, and usually more like 99.99%. What this means is that the website should only experience, at the very most, about 1 1/2 hours of “downtime” per week (and if my host was that bad, I’d change).

If you are a Banners Broker affiliate, you’ll no doubt have noticed that the website has been down for large, huge, massive chunks of time. I’ve seen various explanations for this, ranging from planned maintenance to cyber attacks. I won’t get into the technical arguments about this, because you’ll probably find it dull. Suffice it to say, whatever the cause of the downtime, the explanations do not make sense.

I run a moderately large e-commerce website. We invest a significant amount of money in ensuring that our website is available to customers at all times. If something goes wrong at the hosting company’s end, I can call and speak with an engineer who will personally sort out the problem, usually within about 15 minutes.

Banners Broker is an entirely Internet-based operation, with apparently upwards of 300,000 members. It is inconceivable to me that they would use a host that would allow such massive amounts of downtime.

I think there are a few possibilities here:

  1. Banners Broker are having trouble finding a reputable host who want to be associated with them, and keep having to migrate the site, resulting in the large amounts of downtime.
  2. The engineers who write the Banners Broker site are rushing to implement new systems of stalling panels and payments (e.g. how do we implement this whole blogging thing?).
  3. The whole thing is a ruse, simply designed to prolong the scam, and keep affiliates waiting. All the while your monthly subscriptions for traffic packs and the like are probably being processed without a hitch. Funny, that.

Your panels aren’t moving

Let’s for a moment suppose that a “panel” does indeed represent some kind of real commodity (note: it doesn’t). The movement of your panels represents earnings for you. From what I gather, they’ve either stopped moving, or are moving so slowly that they will make barely enough to keep pace with your monthly subscription fees. To be clear: this is the very essence of what you are interested in with Banners Broker. If the panels don’t move, what are we all here for, exactly?

Here is an explanation posted on the official Facebook page:

As our hard working IT team diligently works to make our website better in v2.9 and building toward v3.0 it requires that certain features of the site be placed on hold. The ability to visualize panel movement is one of those features. There is no need to be alarmed however. The software is still actively recording panel traffic, and once the work on the site is at a level where the panel movement can be switched back on, you’ll see your panels as they’re supposed to be. This is an unfortunate circumstance, but a necessary one in order to ensure the stability of the site.

First of all, this is too vague. I write internet-based software systems for a living, so I have an idea of what makes sense and what doesn’t. This doesn’t. If the panel movement is happening behind the scenes, then displaying the figure from the database on a web page is a trivial thing to do. Seriously, this explanation does not cut it.

Imagine this same explanation applied to another financial system: You check your bank account, and your wage doesn’t show up. Don’t worry – the money’s been put in there, but our internet banking system has a problem visualising the movement of money. Are you really comfortable with that?

Again, keep the faith guys – we’ve got it all under control.

Banners Broker is no longer a passive income source – welcome to the world of blogging!

I would bet that the vast majority of affiliates were especially attracted to Banners Broker due to the promise of earning money without having to refer people, or do any other form of work. That’s all changed of late, apparently in the name of compliance; since Banners Broker wants to be thought of as a business rather than an investment opportunity. Whatever the logic behind it, gone is the prospect of logging in a few times a week, clicking around a bit, and watching your eWallet fatten.

As far as I can tell, there seems to be two ways to qualify your panels now. Either get more people into Banners Broker (remember my prediction of encouraging more recruitment?), or write blogs.

Here is a bit from a webinar on the 6th of March:

INCENTIVE TRAFFIC – no referring needed. but it is not passive. Write blogs. Example – write 36 blogs, you would earn enough to qualify a blue panel. This is not alot of writing. Is it worth spending one hour or a few hours a day to earn traffic? Yes.

What does this mean for you? Here’s an excerpt from a breakdown I found on the realscam forum (my emphasis added)

Imagine that currently you have 3 green, 3 blue and few other smaller panels that need to be qualified.
2 blue and 2 green can be qualified using Traffic Pack. after that, you cannot use traffic pack until you qualify 1 panel using other type of traffic, so actually from this point, no matter how many traffic pack you have accumulated.
So, we need to qualify 1 blue and 1 green panel, which need in total of 180000 traffic
180000 / 1500 = 120 blog article submission. That is 4 blog submission of at least 250 words every day.
No big deal :) we all can do this.
Now lets say your account is much bigger, so lets add 3 red and 3 black panel. Again 1 red and 1 black have to be qualified using traffic other than traffic pack:
1 red + 1 black = 1620000 traffic required / 1500 per blog = 1080 blog entry which is 36 blog / day [view the original post here]

Ask yourself this: do I want to write potentially dozens of blogs every day? Do I have the time to do that? Do I even know how to write a blog?

Having recently gotten into the world of blogging myself with this site, I can tell you that it does take quite a bit of time. But then again, I’m doing it out of love, rather than for money.

Above all, take a look at how much cash you have managed to get out of Banners Broker so far (I mean actual money, not the number displayed in your eWallet). Okay, are you prepared to spend hours a day to achieve a similar level of return from now on?

We won’t even get into trying to figure out exactly how writing a blog translates into ad impressions and thus qualifies your panels (my brain is still recovering from my last gruelling analysis of Banners Broker business logic). At this stage, such analyses are purely moot.

 Conclusion – what can I do?

In my original post on Banners Broker, I took a rather cautious and conservative tone. I just wanted to present the facts as I saw them. After witnessing what has occurred since then, I have become emboldened in my attitude towards Banners Broker. I cannot but give the following sincere and heartfelt admonitions:

  1. If you still have money in Banners Broker, try to get it all out, now. I fear this will be impossible, but it’s worth trying. For any money paid in within the past 120 days, look into the possibility of claiming a chargeback.
  2. If you are paying money into it, then stop now.
  3. Recommend to everyone you know who is also involved that they get out now. Share this article, and share my original article which explains why all this is happening.
  4. If you live in the UK, report your experience of Banners Broker to http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
  5. If you have made profit (real cash, not eWallet) from Banners Broker, consider the fate of a similar internet-based ponzi scheme, Zeek Rewards, that was closed down by the US Securities and Exchange Commission in 2012. Those who profited from the scheme are now being pursued to claw back the earnings and distribute them to those who lost out. You can read about the case here: http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

I think this is the last I will write about Banners Broker. The meltdown will continue, probably for at least another few weeks or even months. All that remains is to watch it melt, and try to help as many people out of the radioactive debris as possible.

Michael

 

 

 

13 thoughts on “Banners Broker: Meltdown

  1. Alkibone

    Thanks Michael for posting this blog.

    To any reader who still doubts that BB is a Ponzi scheme (i.e. a scam where the money of later incoming participanst pay the “returns” of earlier joiners), ask yourself: why do BB have affiliates?

    As I see it, affiliates only cost BB money, because BB offer to pay them out much more than the affiliates put in. The original claim was to “double your money”.

    When BB started, maybe they needed affiliate money for working capital. But according to BB, the company passed the multi-million dollar turnover stage almost 2 years ago. If they didn’t have enough money by then, they could easily have attracted venture capital far more cheaply than doubling the money of multi-thousand affiliates. And with a fraction of the admin costs.

    You see, I just don’t get it. Affiliates do no “work” (until the introduction of “blogs” a few weeks ago), they just make a few mouse-clicks. Affiliates bring in no business. In short, affiliates are useless to the company. So why is BB so keen to bring in more and more affiliates, which only cost BB money, but add nothing to the company?

    Answe: BB is a ponzi. They need new people’s money to pay existing members. Actually, I’ll correct that. They DID need new people’s money to pay existing members. But BB haven’t paid out since December, so all new money goes straight into the organisers’ pockets.

    1. Richard Crawford

      What a load of old tosh. You ARE A NEGATIVE SCAMMER – all you want is for BB to pay you off like so many others of your disgusting ilk. Shut up – if this works, it will be in spite of your contemptuous crap. If it fails, so be it, but after two years on the go, I doubt it very much. Now climb back into your hole and find some other route to bleed money from.

      1. admin Post author

        Just to be even-handed, I’ve published this comment.

        We can all make up our own minds about it then, eh?

        (edit)
        By the way, what is it with calling critics of Banners Broker “scammers”? Look:

        scam (skm) Slang
        n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
        tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
        To defraud; swindle.
        [Origin unknown.]
        scammer n.

        I am not asking anyone for money here. On the other hand, look at your website: http://www.wealth-whispers.biz/ (there’s a free link, by the way, just because I’m kind).

        Nice diagrams on there, by the way, but I think mine are better.

  2. Mal

    Both me and my partner joined BB last August 2012. We put $2000 each into our sites. We have had money from them about $1700 in total, but with a fight each time. But now we are experiencing difficulties also. In january I got seriously involved in investigating this company, this was following various problems as you and many others have already described. My findings relate mainly to Raj Dickshit and the Stellar Point project. At first I did’t see it but now as it unfolds, it is quite alarming. Most people will now know that Raj, along with some other characters was involved in the ICF homes Rip Off. The ICF was banned by the Canadian Competitions Bureau was chucked out of Canada and I believe the USA. So they moved it to Panama under a new name. At the time they were using Paypal and Mastercard. What a surprise !
    When David Hooker came on board from Herbalife, he was given the job of stuffing all the bloggers along with Stern. The only way was COMPLIANCY. They set about inventing loads more hoops to jump thtrough to be compliant with eg The FSA in the UK. I have it on word of mouth from the FSA, they do not know BB or Stellar point and they are certainly not registered with them. So the FSA are doing a ‘Preliminary Investigation’ into their activities in the UK.
    So who are they trying to be compliant with ? They quote ‘We have to be compliant with the laws and government authorities in the countries where we operate’. Maybe thats why they buggered up in India ?!
    Going back to the Mastercard outrage. My knowledge was enlightened when I discovered that STP were involved with talks with Paypal. (BB say they cannot use Paypal because its not known well enough worldwide.) So when the BB Mastercard from Independant Vector was introduced BB began a program of forcing affiliates into having the BB Card. and eventually pushing Payza and STP to one side on Feb1st 2013. Thats when I discovered that Raj Dipstick had been associated with Paypal and Mcard whilst ripping people off in ICF Homes. Thats why he is building the Stellar Point universal whitewash. He is trying to diassociate himself from BB. MCard Banned him on the grounds of the fraud he committed back then and recently discovered he was behind BB and thats why the BB Master card was withdrawn. Nothing to do with the next big lie, ‘it was the bad press from bloggers’ That was there before hand, they always blame someone else dont they, have you noticed ?
    And thats why he desperately wants STP out of it (Quote Smith ‘we are looking for another card provider’ ) Why, when STP do a pretty good job and its cheaper. Why because of possible associatons with Paypal. Rajs reputation goes before him and they are scared they will lose that flimsy association.
    You will notice, coming soon, more Stellar Point Limited Companies and less Chris Smith. There are already 3 in the UK, two of which, Stellar Point Inc Ltd, and Stellar Point Ltd all in the name of Raj. Others are popping up elsewhere around the world. Stellar Point says its a training facility and has no association with BB. (see this letter on Philsmy http://philsmy.com/2013/01/bannersbroker-the-plot-thickens-or-the-waters-muddied-stellarpoint/ You cannot contact BB through these companies, Raj says so on his webinar. He also states that Banners Broker have no offices anywhere, there is no point in trying to contact anyone at these premises.
    This is true because the only offices were BB is registered is Banners Broker Canada and Banners broker (Monetize) Belize. Which is quite a coincidence because Choice Bank is there, holding your hard earned cash, and that is associated with Choice Ads Campaigns. Thats why David Hooker states ‘We dont need to keep accounts because we are offshore’ In other words ‘Invisible’
    My partner and I have currently $3500 worth of withdrawals pending. I cannot access my E Wallet Logs and many othere parts of the site. (they still take the TP payments and membership fees in order to reduce our capital) Considering they are installing new servers, er hum! as ‘SERVER4YOU are a load of rubbish and possibly the only ones BB will ever get to serve them at $50 a month. see http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/server4you.com
    I have now obtained lots of info about Rajs private life, his home addresses (2) and his e mail address.
    We, that is several affiliates in the UK are planning Court action in Canada. as we are outside the 120 days rule for chargebacks. if we and other affiliates are not paid on time. Although we have got some of our investment back many of our friends have not.
    We dont hold out much hope, like many other affiliates.
    Mal

    1. admin Post author

      Dear Mal,

      Thank you for sharing your story. Very real, since you have intimate first-hand experience of some of the points I have written about.

      Our best weapon is education. Most victims of Banners Broker are decent, reasonable people who have unfortunately been taken advantage of. If we can reach them with some truth, they’ll be able to figure things out for themselves. You need only read the increasingly dissatisfied comments on the official Facebook page to see that this is taking place. I’d like to post a link to this post on there, but unfortunately I’ve been banned from posting there! Oh well.

      If anyone reading this can post the link on my behalf, that’d be great – I think we’d reach a hell of a lot of worried BB affiliates who are searching for answers during the extended periods of website downtime.

      Michael

  3. John

    Thanks for writing about this Michael. On March 18th I visited a BB promotion gathering for the first (and only) time. I got lost once the ‘panels’ were ‘explained’. We were introduced to this by trustworthy friends, though the whole thing seemed completely counterintuitive from the get go. Despite this we decided to go ahead and sign up with the help of our upline. Made several attempts but failed each time. Thank God!!
    I had heard the story at the meeting that there were bloggers out there trying to paint BB black, and these people had been invited to come to Canada and check out the operation for themselves at BB’s expenses. At this point I had read no criticism of the operation. I followed the Facebook link on their homepage, and it was on the top post there (which has had 606 comments to date from mostly very concerned BB affiliates) that I saw the link to your first post ‘Regarding BB’. This fully confirmed my initial distrust.
    I’ve answered your call and posted the link to this article on the official BB page. As I write it’s been there for a full 16 minutes!

    Thanks again and keep up the good work,

    John

    1. admin Post author

      Hi John, thanks for sharing your story. I guess that’s a great example of the phrase “blessing in disguise” huh?

      Unfortunately I got into the blogging game a bit too late, so I didn’t get any invitation to Canada!

      Thanks for posting the link – 14 hours later and it’s still there! Must’ve slipped through the net somehow.

  4. Mark

    This graph tells it all

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bannersbroker.com

    Although this graph shows web traffic it is a good proxy for membership of BB.

    The exponential growth in 2012 shows it was easy to pay off old affiliates with new money. However that growth like all Ponzi schemes is unsustainable. As the growth has stopped and is now flat or even falling, there isn’t enough money coming in from new mugs to pay off the old mugs. So length of time to get money out increases unti the day (very soon) when no money will come out at all.

    1. admin Post author

      Thanks for that Mark. I’m a big fan of analytics, so that was an interesting find. I agree with your analysis too – the growth phase seems to have ended in the last quarter of 2012. I would imagine the levelling of the graph is a combination of overall slowdown in new signups, combined with existing affiliates jumping ship.

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  7. James

    What an interesting series of posts! Mostly in tune with my own observations for months now. Can’t say or reveal too much about myself as I’m still a BB Affiliate and I don’t want the boys round to talk to me! Part of my inherent distrust and annoyance of late is that there is another blog/forum that is controlled by affiliates who are in complete denial that there is anything wrong with BB. They tow the party line, repeat or invent reasons and excuses for the hierarchy who are treated almost as deities. I have long thought that the Hans Christian Andersen’s childrens’ fable about the Emperors New Clothes should be the company song. ( Google it if you are not familiar) These people are also vehemently against the anti-BB scammers with vocals that verge on defamation! Good stuff – thanks guys.

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